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Long-Term Mining Incentives

Date

19 November, 2024

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Brainstorming (Sticky Notes):

  • Large holders free-riding security
  • No more mempool APIs only
  • All fees are out of band
  • Mining wars between nation-states
  • Constant reorgs
  • Forks (not consensus change)
  • Race to the bottom between miners sending each other long to validate blocks
  • No more hashrate
  • SPV mining
  • Fail to converge
  • “Gap games” + coin hopping
  • Chain halts: miners know they will get reorged out, give up mining
  • Collapse of the galactic economy
  • Use all the world’s energy
  • Quantum computers may make hashrate not linear with power

Not gonna consider bugs such as timewarp or extreme validation times.

Discussion Points

Tail Emission

  • The emission can’t be linear as it’s logarithmic eventually.
  • What you want is a fixed inflation as a percentage of the supply.
  • Alternative solution: demurrage (the value of coin decreases over time).

Demand for Block Space

  • Possibility: There may be no demand for block space anymore.
  • Observation: There seems to be a baseline demand for storing garbage.

Decreasing Purchasing Power

  • Scenario: Purchasing power decreases significantly but smoothly.
    • In 100 years, 1 BTC might only buy a bottle of water.
  • Consensus in the group: It’s OK if people don’t want to use Bitcoin anymore.
    • Purchasing power of BTC decreases, or block space demand diminishes
    • If it’s a shock and not gradual it would be a pretty bad outcome for holders.

Exploring Use Cases:

Proof of IDLE

  • Check the paper.

ETF Scaling

  • Question: What if people don’t have demand for block space anymore?
  • Discussion: Is it a bad outcome?

Bitcoin for Settlement Between Countries

  • Hypothesis: Countries that don’t trust each other might use Bitcoin for settlement.
  • Counterpoint: They might as well use the BIS.
    • BIS is trusted, but there is alwayss the threat of war which keeps them honest.
    • Question: Is Bitcoin really useful for this use case?

Preventing Bad Outcomes:

  • Avoid MEV / APIs:
    • APIs are not inherently bad but may indicate systemic issues.
    • Ethereum has transitioned to being "all APIs" with no mempool anymore.
  • Keep Open Source / Verifiability.
  • Big Consensus Changes:
    • Can we transition to PoS?
      • Some believe PoS isn’t interesting; if trusting a third party is necessary, a transparently trusted system might suffice.
  • Incentives Against Custodians:
    • “Just ban Bitcoin :)”

Defining the "Long-Term":

  • Two generations, ~100 years.

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